“No Drummer???” ¯\(°_o)/¯

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The number-one question people ask us is, “Why don’t you have a drummer?” Well, in order to answer that, it’s worth noting that we actually DID, at one point. When Chris and I (Kevin) first started in 2009, his brother actually picked up a super-cheap drum kit and joined us. He’d grown up with us and was into most of the same music, so it was a good fit…

For the first few months, at least. But we grew in different directions. Chris and I decided we were enjoying it so much that we wanted to dedicate everything to music, and hopefully create music professionally one day. So we spent every waking moment on it. Meanwhile, his brother stopped trying, stopped practicing, and eventually just quit.

The thing is, Chris and I didn’t want to slow down. Not for a second. As you may know, this band and the music had become our singular coping mechanism for quite a few horrible things we were both dealing with. We would hang out at my house and play guitar over a Guitar Pro file, with its horrendous 8-bit audio quality, because that’s how I was writing the songs anyway. So we would hear drums, keyboards, even vocal melodies played through some kind of synth.

The whole time it was just the two of us playing guitars, we were experiencing the music as though it was complete. Thing is, that was FUN. We never felt that we’d be having more fun playing music if only we had someone playing drums, or bass, or keyboard. So it’s not that we had some kind of aversion to adding new members, although the practice space we had at that point was pretty unfriendly to acoustic drums. Moreso, we were just having all the fun we could ask for with just us.

Here’s the thing – every symphonic metal band utilizes backing tracks. Nightwish obviously can’t take the London Philharmonic Orchestra on tour with them. So they take the orchestral recordings and run them on a backing track. So in our case, we simply added drums alongside these orchestral backings. The reason for this was that by the time Adrienne and Louisa joined the band and we were ready to start playing shows, we were all so tight-knit and happy together that we didn’t even think about auditioning a drummer.

Before we knew it, suddenly we’d done full tours just the four of us, and it felt so good and so natural – and the audience certainly didn’t seem to mind – that we just kind of stuck with what was working. And for the foreseeable future, we’re likely to stick with that.

I hope that makes sense, and I hope you still enjoy our music despite the lack of a drummer.


  • Johnny says:

    Not having a drummer takes so much away from the stage performance in my opinion. I just found you guys but was turned off to the fact that you don’t have a drummer. Mostly because I’m a drummer. I just can’t get with it. It’s Boeing watching you guys play. You gotta work on your stage presence.

  • Cliff Minors says:

    The sound IS good, there is no denying that, but I’m sorry, I can’t agree with the no drummer stance. The nature of symphonic metal DOES need a lot of tapes being used, this is the ONLY sub genre of metal I’ll allow this in, as I may be old school, but I’ve always been of the opinion that if you can’t recreate your music live with the musicians you have, it’s not valid, but symphonic IS different, I concede. But no drummer? Sorry, the drums are the backbone of a band’s rhythm section, and not to see a kit on stage, real not electronic garbage, is just plain wrong in my opinion. It IS only my opinion guys, but there you have it.

  • Eric says:

    Three words: In Ear Monitors. Could convince you to shift your outlook on a lot of this.

    On the subject of live performances… Water the chances of recording these for everyone’s viewing pleasure? 😀

    • Kevin Goetz says:

      We actually have started using in-ears 🙂 I’m not sure what difference it makes after that point, but the sound engineers we’ve worked with still comment on the clarity in the absence of acoustic drums. Regarding recorded performances, we actually have something quite big planned with that! 😉

  • Adam Ruedas M says:

    Do what needs to be done for y’all. Yes it’s weird not seeing a drummer but you’re making good points. But the e kit thing is a great idea

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